Wednesday, May 2, 2018

Thoughts on fantasy books

There's not much happening here right now. Last week and this week I've had a course on terrestrial ecosystems in the Amazon. It's mostly about trees. As if there's nothing else in an ecosystem.
But since there's not much happening, I decided to talk about a bit about something completely different today.

I want to talk to you about fantasy books. More specifically I want to talk to you about people dying in fantasy books. Cheery topic, huh?

So some time last fall I started to think about the books I had read recently, and it seemed many of them were about some thieving crews going around killing people (not really, also a lot of other things happened in them, but there were thieving crews and they did kill a bunch of people). This was a coincidence, of course. I simply happened to read two series back to back with thief crews in them.
But it got me thinking. I tried to think of a single fantasy book or book series where 1. no one who has a name dies, and 2. none of the main crew kill anyone.
I couldn't think of single one. We went through a list of best fantasy novels or something with my (other) little sister some time in January, trying to find a book or series where no one dies, and couldn't find one. We didn't know all of them, but between the two of us, we had read a significant majority of them.
The Kingkiller Chronicles (is my favorite fantasy series of all time) practically starts with everyone dying. Also, it's called the Kingkiller Chronicles. A king will be killed, even if we don't yet know who that king is or how he's killed. (If I could get the third book I'd want nothing more in life.)
Harry Potter. A lot of people die. Harry doesn't actually kill many of them, though. Just Quirrell. When he was 11. And that's... fine? I'll get back to that point in a moment. And I guess he destroys some horcruxes, though I'm not sure if that counts as killing, exactly.
The Song of Ice and Fire. I'm not even gonna go there.
The Lord of the Rings. Gimli and Legolas are competing on who kills more. Granted, it's orcs, but they are clearly sentient beings. And even if you don't count that, there are the pirates who attack in the third book. Also Boromir.
The Lightbringer series. There's a war. People die.
Chronicle of the Unhewn Throne. One of the main crew is literally a priestess of the god of death.
The Gentleman Bastards. Those deaths were just unfair.
The Stormlight Archive, the series I'm reading right now. In the society it's centered around the men go out seeking the thrill of battle you get when you get to slaughter as many of the enemy as possible.
Narnia. This is a kids book series. I watched Prince Kaspian (yes, the movie) last night, and it tells about a war.

The only one I was able to come up with that's relatively clean of death (that we're sure of) is Avatar the Last Airbender. Yeah, it's not a book, but same genre. And in even that there's a war, and I'm sure some of the people the main crew fights end up dead. Although I'm not sure about that, since in the end Aang struggles with the idea of having to kill the fire lord, so maybe they don't actually get anyone killed before that? But either way, there are a lot of people we know who have died in the war before the events of the series. And there is a war, so I'm quite sure people do die, even if the viewer is never told about those people.

So I ended up pretty baffled by this. Is it really that there simply aren't any (good) fantasy out there in which no one dies. I mean, how hard can it be to write a good book where no one dies. It's present in everything, starting from kids books.
No, wait, wait. The Neverending Story. Does someone die in that? I'm not sure anymore. I used to love that book when I was a kid. Is it possible this is the one book where no one dies? Does someone remember?
Either way. I would like to think that it's possible to write good fantasy where no one dies. I hope it is. Because this amount of killing in books is a little disturbing. And it's so normal that people don't even pay attention to it. I didn't, and I've been reading fantasy for... almost twenty years? I got the first Harry Potter when I was seven or eight, at least since then. And I never thought about it until now. That can't be right.
And what I think makes it somewhat worse is that the characters in the books seem to be pretty much unaffected by all that killing. They take an emotional hit only when someone they personally know dies. The only series I can think of off the top of my head where people get messed up about all the death (as a person should) is The Hunger Games. And that's not really even fantasy. But I think Katniss has one of the sanest reactions to the death happening around her in the literature I've listed here.
Oh, oh, and The Kingkiller Chronicles. Some of the characters. Not all of them. I love the Adem. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, you need to go find a copy of The Name of the Wind and read it right now. It's just 800 pages. The Wise Man's Fear is 1300 or something. But go. Now.)
But mostly people react to death like "people died, but the bad guy had been defeated, let's have a party!" And this including the children's books, like Narnia and Harry Potter. Seriously, Harry kills someone when he's 11, and people simply take him to the hospital wing to get rid of the scrapes he got. Because it's all well and good.
What. Seriously.

So yeah. I don't know what's up with all of this. I don't have an answer. It's just something I noticed, and something that makes me little uncomfortable.
I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on this.

And if someone knows a good fantasy book or series where no one dies... please let me know. I'd love to read it.

~matu

5 comments:

  1. A colleague of mine from Harvard published a study on violence in animated films and the conclusion is pretty similar. http://doi.org/10.1001/jama.283.20.2716 There is a lot of violence. And that was just before Mulan, which is kind of an extreme with its massive unprecedented battle scene. Also the classical fairytales are violent. Cinderella's step sister literally cut her toes off with scissors to fit her foot in the glass shoe. I am not sure what conclusions should be made out of this, but fortunately actual violence has dramatically decreased in almost all Western countries during the last 30 years.

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  2. Regarding the Never ending story, I have one word: Artax. Also, doesn't the universe like... stop existing in that? Like idk if you'd count that as "dying" but they do stop existing, so like...

    BUT Oona and I have been reading a series by Diana Wynne Jones (the one who wrote The Moving Castle) called The Chrestomancer series, and to be fair, we're on book three but so far no one's really died. Or like... okay kind of? Because the main character is a boy who has nine lives, so he kinda dies a few times (falls from the roof and breaks his neck f.ex.) but he doesn't ACTUALLY die, so I dunno, does that count? Oh, I guess there were a few mermaids in the prequel, who we were TOLD about but never shown that got poached off screen. The main character completely stopped eating fish after finding out about that though, which I think is a reasonable reaction. But yeah, no one who has a name dies and the main characters don't kill anybody.

    Now that I think about it, I don't think anyone dies in the Moving Castle either? I've only seen the movie though, so idk. There is a war going on I guess, but like... eh.

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    1. I have read the book. Twice, actually. Once when I was a kid and another time maybe a year ago, but I can't remember if anyone in it dies. I think it's actually possible no one dies.
      And, well, yeah, true, the universe stops exiting in the Neverending story, but only for a while. And I think (though I'm not sure) that all the people (=creatures) who were in the world before are in the world still, after it starts existing again. Although now that I say that out loud, it doesn't sound very likely.

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    2. The Moving Castle being the first book I was referring to.

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    3. Artax still dies tho

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